Classic Wisdom

July 13th, 2008

CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 9
July 13, 2008

Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

What are we to make of our uncertain times and what are our responsibilities as Christians?

There is classic wisdom to be found in the short Book of Jude, penned so long ago by the brother of Jesus and James, and still so fresh and relevant today, if not more so.

Jude 1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Standing Firm in the faith is NOT a passive role, beloved brothers and sisters!

Action is required! Let’s take a closer look:

  • Earnestly contend for the faith
  • Build up yourselves on your most holy faith
  • Pray in the Holy Ghost
  • Keep yourselves in the love of God
  • Look for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ
  • Have compassion
  • Make a difference
  • Save [others] with fear, pulling them out of the fire

Beloved, we are at war, daily, whether we choose to acknowledge it or not.

If you took inventory of your arsenal, would you find yourself equipped to ‘earnestly contend for your faith’? We should be suiting up fully in the Armor of God, daily, ready to wield the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God, for it is only by staying in God’s Word will we ‘build ourselves in the faith’!

What does it mean to pray in the Holy Ghost? Have you thought about it? Are you aware that we are commanded to do so?

Ephesians 5

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

At the time of being ‘born-again’, receiving Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and repenting of our sins, in all sincerity and contriteness of heart, we are indwelt with the Spirit, but it is only by deliberate exercise of walking in the Spirit, ‘keeping ourselves in the love of God’, communicating with the Father, requesting the filling of the Spirit, do we become and remain Spirit filled.
As you go about your daily activities, what thought are you giving to the eternal state of those around you: Friends, co-workers, neighbors, casual acquaintances, strangers, even folks in your own place of worship?

Having looked for and received the ‘mercy of our Lord, Jesus Christ’ do you share the power and glory of God’s Promises, ‘having compassion, making a difference and pulling others from the fire’?

Colossians 3

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

New Start Rescue Mission

March 9th, 2008

CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 8
March 9, 2008

My wife, Patricia, happened to catch a short TV news story about the New Start Rescue Mission, in Quincy, IL founded by a fellow named Chuck Smith and his wife.

They have used over $30,000 of their own money (and my sense of it is they are NOT spending out of an excess) to bring a building up to code to house up to 10 or 11 homeless men, providing God’s Word and practical training to help get these folks’ lives back together.

Sadly, they have only gotten the first floor done and the city fathers don’t seem to be making things easy for them…they don’t even allow them to have a stove, only hot plates. The good citizens in the area don’t seem to be interested in helping out.

Patricia had noticed from the film shots that they had plastic containers of food there and she felt moved to try and do something to help.

She brought an idea to me and we decided to contact Chuck to see if we might lend a hand.

As a result, Patricia will be providing an Easter dinner at the mission for about 15 – 20 folks!

I am delighted to now have the opportunity to spend Easter Sunday with them, delivering a brief sermon and music ministry via guitar and voice (may the Good Lord help me!)

There is a short news story here:

http://www.khqa.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=58599

New Start Rescue Mission may be reached at (217) 223-2100 if you would care to arrange for a donation or through our web site at http://christiansoldiersonline.org

Glory be to God!

Roe v. Wade – 35 years of Death

January 20th, 2008


CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 7
January 20, 2008

Editorial by Sarah Macomber

35-years ago, as of January 22nd, a troubled young woman made a terrible mistake. Many people may know her as Jane Roe, the leading advocate back in the 1970’s for women’s right to choose. But a lot of you may not know that she is Norma McCorvey, a current leading advocate for Pro-Life. And January 22nd was the marking of the 35th year America has had the right to murder. A lot of us don’t realize it, but America has been in the murdering business for 35 years. The worst part is; no one has to make an effort to conceal it. It’s legal and is acceptable by a great deal of citizens. Every day we accept that an ungodly amount of people die for no particular reason. This acceptance started in 1973, when the court case Roe v. Wade made abortion legal.

Fortunately, they say, people learn from their mistakes. McCorvey finally learned from her most influential mistake 13 years ago. The very woman that had supported legal abortion for the longest time is now fighting abortion with all her heart. Norma converted to Christianity after getting to know Reverend Benham, an Operation Rescue lead director. In 1995 she changed her ways and realized what she was fighting for was utterly wrong. She realized that what was happening couldn’t go on any longer.

What we are doing has to be stopped, and hopefully soon. But if everyone stays neutral or uninformed then nothing will change for the better. This will only get worse. More and more of our generation and the future generations will be brutally killed. We are allowing helpless babies to be slaughtered on a regular basis. We are allowing women to make the choice to kill off their child, killed in a place where it supposed to be the safest. Is this all because the woman made a bad choice to risk having sex when she clearly had no intentions of having children? It is not the child that should have to bear the consequences of unprotected sex! The life of a baby is precious and not to be thrown away. Since when do we get to play the part of God, of the forces of life and death? It is not our right to decide if someone lives or dies, gets to experience life or not. To consider taking away the chance at life, to grow up, to have good memories and bad ones alike, to experience childhood, and to love and have emotions is a terrible evil.

Understandably, it is sad that there are so many rape cases in our country. It is beyond wrong that a woman must be put through that. But the amount of women that get pregnant from rape or from incest is miniscule in comparison to the amount that gets pregnant from consensual sex. Two wrongs do not make a right. There is no reason that a child should be murdered because a woman has been abused in such a manner. You might think that no one would want to see the reminder of that tragic night every single day of their life afterwards… That is still no excuse to kill a child so innocent, a baby that is as much a part of the mother as it is the ‘father’. There are options. There is adoption and there is acceptance.

Peers, our parents may have not have been able to put an end to this, or may have supported the terrible cause that kills millions in the most cruel of ways. But we can. We might not be able to undo the past wrongs, but as a new generation we can start doing right by the generations to come. I wish both young and old to be aware of the fact that we’re letting the innocent and vulnerable die. And for no reason! It isn’t because of poverty and it isn’t because women get raped… it’s because there is no responsibility, no concept of good choice making.

I give thanks to President Bush, who has made January 20th National Sanctity of Human Life Day. The leader of our Country has set aside a day to celebrate the importance of every life, no matter how small it is. I hope that this is a step to changing the direction we are going in. For his message is one that says everyone is equal, whether they are a doctor or a factory worker. Each life is valued, and no one should be able to decide if one life is greater then the other.

[ Sarah Macomber is a high school freshman and a contributing writer at http://christiansoldiersonline.org ]

Satan’s Paw Prints

December 2nd, 2007

CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 6
December 2, 2007

I do not consider myself to be a theologian. I hold to no –ists, or –isms, and follow no teacher apart from Jesus Christ as revealed to me through the plain reading of God’s Word, aided by the Holy Spirit.

Over the centuries since Christ was crucified and raised again, learned men have debated, one with the other over more points of doctrine than I am even aware were and are in dispute, and in so doing, becoming followers of theologians, rather than followers of Christ.

Paul warns of the dangers of division:

1 Corinthians 1:

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

As far as I can determine, the only lasting legacy of such debates and disputes has been to the detriment, rather than the betterment, of the body of Christ, with divisions and mutations of the body so rampant as to make the church unrecognizable today, whether it be the vast conglomerate that claims to be the direct line of Peter or those too numerous denominations that have emerged and splintered from the Reformation.

Having said that, there is another perspective to consider:

2 Timothy 4:

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

It is my intention with this writing to illuminate the errors of those who follow what can only be called the inspired teachings of Satan himself – designed to disparage and discourage the lost to a permanent place of damnation, while disguising itself as the teachings of men deemed to be inspired by God the Father.

This is no small task and I pray that I be led by the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth of the scriptures in such a manner as to restore lost, no, stolen, hope and point lost souls to the saving Grace of my loving Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, and encourage the brothers and sisters who are secure in Christ to strive continually to reach out to the lost with the Good News of the Gospel, as has been commissioned to us by Jesus Christ Almighty, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) Amen.

When I first became aware of the teachings of John Calvin, I was stunned.

Surely I was misunderstanding – were preachers of God’s Word really saying that God had created some men and women for whom there was no hope for salvation?

The focus of this article is on a portion of the 5 – points that make up Calvinism, which have come to be represented by the acronym TULIP:

Total Depravity

Unconditional Election

Limited Atonement

Irresistible Grace

Perseverance of the Saints

Let us now take a look at the doctrine of Unconditional Election.

In essence, Unconditional Election is the contention that God, from the foundation of Creation, called some individuals to salvation and the remainder was doomed to hopeless damnation.

As Calvin states it:

“We say, then, that Scripture clearly proves this much, that God by his eternal and immutable counsel determined once for all those whom it was his pleasure one day to admit to salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, it was his pleasure to doom to destruction. We maintain that this counsel, as regards the elect, is founded on his free mercy, without any respect to human worth, while those whom he dooms to destruction are excluded from access to life by a just and blameless, but at the same time incomprehensible judgment.” [emphasis mine]

Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Section 7

I can agree with one point only – such a judgment, based solely on God’s pleasure, is, indeed, incomprehensible.

Point by point debate on this topic has been going on for centuries, and I do not believe it will be fully resolved before Christ returns.

All I can hope to do, is to raise the level of consciousness in regard to the subtle evil that masquerades as God’s Word, and this I will attempt to do, in the very name of hope, for it is in this precious commodity that salvation ultimately rests.

What Godly man would set out to change God’s promises into a lie and present commentary of God’s Word tainted by the paw prints of Satan himself?

From John Calvin we learn thusly concerning John 3:16:

“Let us remember, on the other hand, that while life is promised universally to all who believe in Christ, still faith is not common to all. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all, but the elect alone are they whose eyes God opens, that they may seek him by faith.” [emphasis mine]

I find it ironic that another chapter that contains the scripture frequently cited to support Calvin’s fallacy also holds the correction to this grievous error.

Let us first look at Calvinist supporting scripture.

Romans 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

But, what of the verses leading to this oft misused scripture?

Romans 8:

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Undoubtedly, the devout Calvinist will smugly rebut that, without the call of God that is reserved for the elect alone, the Spirit will not move within the natural man, nor draw him to the Savior.

To accept such a premise is to place blind faith in the teachings of men, without testing the harsh lesson with scripture.

Consider:

Psalm 33:

13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.

14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

16 There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.

17 An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.

18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;

19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.

20 Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.

21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.

22 Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

Moving on in Romans 8, now –

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Conversely, if God be against us, who can be for us?

Who better to ask then the prophet Jeremiah – see Lamentations 3, which begins:

1 I AM the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.

2 He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.

3 Surely against me is he turned; he turneth his hand against me all the day.

Yet, just as for those who can claim no such privileges as laid claim to by Calvin’s elect, seemingly doomed forever to darkness, Praise be to God that there is, indeed, hope:

18 And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:

19 Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall.

20 My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.

21 This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.

22 It is of the LORD’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.

24 The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him.

25 The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him.

26 It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

There is much more than can and has been written on the subject of election.

For now, suffice it to say, that the god painted by Calvin as a cavalier and whimsical being who cares not for all of His creation, is a mere caricature of our Heavenly Father who created man in His image and loves us enough to forgive all who seek Him, inviting all to repentance from sin as evidenced in:

Ezekiel 18:

23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

25 Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the LORD is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Brothers and Sisters do not allow Calvinism to diminish our Father and cheapen the Grace that leads us to faith in the greatest gift known to mankind.

Hearken unto the Apostle Paul and renew your minds, not with the lofty commentaries of men, but in God’s Word, dividing scripture by scripture.

Romans 12:

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

2 Timothy 2:

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

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Proverbs 19

1 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool.

 2 Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.

 3 The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the LORD.

 4 Wealth maketh many friends; but the poor is separated from his neighbour.

 5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

 6 Many will intreat the favour of the prince: and every man is a friend to him that giveth gifts.

 7 All the brethren of the poor do hate him: how much more do his friends go far from him? he pursueth them with words, yet they are wanting to him.

 8 He that getteth wisdom loveth his own soul: he that keepeth understanding shall find good.

 9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

 10 Delight is not seemly for a fool; much less for a servant to have rule over princes.

 11 The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression.

 12 The king’s wrath is as the roaring of a lion; but his favour is as dew upon the grass.

 13 A foolish son is the calamity of his father: and the contentions of a wife are a continual dropping.

 14 House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.

 15 Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.

 16 He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.

 17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

 18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

 19 A man of great wrath shall suffer punishment: for if thou deliver him, yet thou must do it again.

 20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.

 21 There are many devices in a man’s heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.

 22 The desire of a man is his kindness: and a poor man is better than a liar.

 23 The fear of the LORD tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

 24 A slothful man hideth his hand in his bosom, and will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.

 25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.

 26 He that wasteth his father, and chaseth away his mother, is a son that causeth shame, and bringeth reproach.

 27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

 28 An ungodly witness scorneth judgment: and the mouth of the wicked devoureth iniquity.

 29 Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.

Conversation With A Mormon – Part 3

November 30th, 2007

CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 5
November 30, 2007

We have received a response from the original subject of our Conversation With a Mormon series who we shall now refer to as mogel007.

mogel007 Says:

Moderator said: “Nowhere can I find an explicit statement of Christ volunteering, however I find numerous references to being sent by the Father,”
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Are you saying then, that one cannot volunteer and also be chosen and foreordained to be the One and only Redeemer that was sent and chosen by the Father? Must there be an inconsistency when one does not necessarily exist except in your own mind? Can’t volunteering & also being sent because Jesus volunteered & was chosen by the Father too, as the best canidate for the job, be consistent and still in reality be the same thing, rather than you jumping to conclusions that this automatically presents a false doctrine since it must be one or the other?

Referring to the atonement, didn’t Christ also “volunteer” as a thought or question to the Father, to have him do things in another way if it were possible? If Jesus had no choice or agency in the matter, & just was a robot that was sent, why would he say in his greatest moments of struggle: “If it were possible, please remove this cup from me”, as if Jesus was looking for another way to perform the atonement, but in the end, he said talking to his Father: ” never the less, not my will, but thine will be done.”

As for the scripture that says, “God is not man,” is also accurate. He is not a man, a man being a mortal being subject to weakness, sin, & disease. God the Father is not a man in that sense, but an “Exalted resurrected & perfected Man”, not capable of death, sin, or disease, or corruption. That is the point that is being made, which you obviously missed. Since God became a God, he has been that way from everlasting to everlasting, incapable of changing his nature or his glory.

In regards to your first paragraph:

We can ‘could it be’ all day long, but, we would merely be speculating and only for the purpose of supporting extra biblical doctrines.

Let’s look again at the scripture I provided:

John 8:

42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

A plain reading of the scripture, in context, is extremely clear – I did not come of myself.

I find it particularly interesting that you insist on attempting to cloud the issue, in light of the rest of the following text:

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

I will be happy to continue this aspect of our discussion upon your submission of Biblical scripture which supports your contention that Christ is a ‘volunteer’.

In Paragraph 2 you hang yourself while attempting to make a point. Christ clearly is not looking forward to the ordeal He is about to go through. As the Son of Man, He is appointed to die for the sins of the world, and it is a horrible prospect. (To suggest He is a robot is unconscionable – another instance of your attributing words to this author that were neither stated nor implied). As you yourself quoted – “let not my will” (does this sound like a ‘volunteer’?) “but thine will be done”.

Paragraph 3 – Ah, yes. The infamous Mormon teaching that God was once a man.

Please correct me if the following is an inaccurate quote:

Joseph Smith said: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! … I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see …. (MD, p. 321).

Source

Utter blasphemy, plain and simple.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Comprendas?

Also from mogel007, in response to our observations, to which I will comment within the quoted text for expedience sake:

mogel007 Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 1:55 am

Moderator says: “Baptism does indeed fall within the realm of works and is not a requisite of salvation, though we are admonished to be baptized as an outward display of our faith. Receiving of the Holy Spirit is a result of, not a condition for, Salvation.”

Funny, that is not what the scriptures say:

Luke 1: 16: “He that believeth, and is baptized shall be SAVED; but he that believeth not, shall be DAMNED.”

NOTE: The Baptism debate is not exclusive to Mormon teaching – our contention is and remains that Baptism is works – salvation is by Grace through Faith

The cited scripture would be more compelling if it read: “but he that believeth not and is not baptised, shall be DAMNED.” However, it does not.

John 3: 5 “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he he CANNOT ENTER INTO THE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” Two baptisms are specifically mentioned here: baptism of water, & baptism of the Spirit or receiving the Holy Ghost. “The Holy Ghost will teach you all truth.” Funny how someone can think they can be saved in ignorance. A person in ignorance is still susceptible to the fiery darts of Satan, especially without the gift of the Holy Ghost to lead you in the paths of truth.

Once again, we must look at the isolated scripture you attempt to twist to your purpose, in context:

John 3

1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

In response to Nicodemus’ question “How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?” Jesus refers first to a physical birth – the first birth – of water – referring to the womb – and Spiritual birth – the second birth – born again – of the Spirit.

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

A plain reading, in context, reveals that this has nothing to do with Baptism, try as one might to misuse it to prove a fallacy.

What kind of salvation is that being an unbaptized person then? You obviously won’t see or participate in His kingdom.

The moderator must think damnation & salvation are one & the same obviously if baptism IS NOT NECESSARY because he that is not baptized shall be DAMNED. LOL

Again, an attempt to credit beliefs to this author that were neither stated nor implied, in an attempt to give validity to an unsupportable position.

Course the moderator has confused resurrection or life eternal ( a gift to all men through Christ’s grace ) as the only salvation discussed in most parts of the Bible. Yes, all except the sons of perdition who deny the Holy Ghost, & commit the unpardonable sin, will be saved from the grave & not lie in the grave eternally & have your flesh rot in the earth eternally & be subject to Satan. Jesus prepared a way out from that through his atonement, death, & his own resurrection & overcame death and it’s sting. This is a universal salvation that doesn’t require any works from man.

The “other salvation” or other meaning of salvation, which most Christian don’t want to discuss or even consider, specifically require good works and repentence in order to achieve God’s greatest blessings or to truly have salvation. Mormons call this other salvation & term it “exaltation”, a gift that is earned.

The “other salvation” isn’t by man’s works; it’s a gift from Jesus & that is life eternal & being resurrected. This is a free gift GIVEN TO ALL WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED & one does not need to claim this gift; it is automatically given after you die & IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON ANY WORKS LEST ONE SHOULD BOAST. All men are resurrected regardless of how they live their life.

The scriptures say, “that all men will bow & confess that Jesus is the Christ” is an eventual reality. This will become a fact sooner or later, whether in this life or in the life to come. All will recognize & confess with their lips that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. Course even the Devils acknowledge him & tremble. This is no revelation, but this seems to be the most important part of the gospel of most Evangelicals that you must accept Jesus Christ. If they read their scriptures, they would understand this will happen anyway.

As the book of Mormon declares, “Men are saved after all that they can do.” This does not take away from Christ’s merits or grace, but also adds personal responsibility of keeping the commandments of God for exaltation (salvation) too. Salvation denotes or means being saved from something? What do most Christian believe they are saved from? Hell & it’s suffering? Or do they believe that salvation automatically means they are going to Heaven to dwell with God & Christ eternally in Heaven, & receive the good life, simply for something that Christ accomplished 2000 years ago?

There simply is no scriptural basis for this concept of “other salvation”. Heresy, pure and simple. Feel free to provide supportive Biblical scripture to show otherwise.

    For the sake of congruity, I will include your replies to our previous respondent, known as JLF. Perhaps he/she will return to comment:

    mogel007 Says:
    November 29th, 2007 at 9:02 pm

    JLF:You said: “honest and honorable people who did not abide by the commandments ” will go to the middle kingdom. I’m sorry to inform you, but that’s not what D&C Section 76 says. If you were truly an informed LDS or Mormon, you would not have said that in those terms. You can’t be honorable & disobey the commandments. Honorable people are those that honor what they are given. Honorable people are those that try to keep the commandments, but are not valiant in their beliefs & their actions & don’t receive more intelligence that will eventually perfect them, because they don’t ask for it & do not “hunger & thirst after righteousness”, but the little they know, they abide by. I suspect you are an honorable person & you will end up in the terrestrial kingdom in the end, since your judging abilities of others are less than honorable & you don’t bother to find out all the facts before you come to a fair judgment. Honorable people are often deceived, but they do have good intentions. I don’t think you are LDS/Mormon either (LOL) , otherwise you would have listed 1 Cor 15: 39-42 as a scriptual reference point for the different kingdoms in the after life. If you were, you would have presented things better & labeled the highest degree or kingdom where people go as the “celestial glory” or place where God & Christ live. These people are those that are valiant in their testimony of Christ. You would have also been more specific & labeled the 2nd kingdom of glory where people go in the next life as the “terrestrial kingdom” where the “honorable people” of the earth end up. You would also have labeled the lowest kingdom where people go as the “telestial kingdom” of glory & would have mentioned that these are the people that go to hell in the Spirit World & come out of hell after paying for their sins. I don’t think your presented the LDS view very well either. Maybe you should re-read D&C Section 76. After all, you forgot to mention that ALL PEOPLE WILL BE SAVED & RECEIVE SALVATION DUE TO THE DEATH & RESURRECTION OF jESUS CHRIST. The reason why Non Mormon christians make such a big deal out of discussing salvation is because they don’t realize that all men & women will be saved or have salvation, which is nothing more than going to heaven & receiving an immortal resurrected body which is available by the sole merits of Jesus Christ which is all about grace & not about works of the people. See D&C 76: 44

    These Christians think they must ironically accept Jesus into their life & confess Jesus with their lips, that he is the Saviour, which ironically IS A WORK, something they say is not important.

    JLF, you also forgot to mention that the word “salvation” as discussed in the scriptures can either refer to the resurrection of a person, or to their final judgment which is receiving either a telestial resurrected body, or a terrestrial resurrected body, or a celestial resurrected body. Salvation is not Exaltation, Exaltation being the highest gift that God can give, which is nothing less than receiving an immortal celestial body & receiving the highest kingdom & receiving the “continuation of the lives”, which in essence is receiving Godhood or Godesshood & having the ability to create your own earths & have a “continuation of the seed” forever & ever.

    The fact of the matter is that Mormonism is the only religion that teaches that all mankind will be saved except the sons of perdition who will be few. Since that is true, it is stupid to discuss salvation in the terms that most protestants discuss it in order to discount the importance of works in the final resting place in Heaven. Even the telestial kingdom is considered part of heaven, but all Mormons know that salvation without exaltation is not reaching your full potential. In order to reach your full potential, works must be considered. That was the main point I was trying to make. Obviously you missed that point. Your problem though; not mine.

    Still think I’m not LDS? Think again! Pray about your judgments next time & then you won’t come to such an erroenous judgment of someone you don’t even know, next time.


    mogel007 Says:

    November 29th, 2007 at 9:10 pm

    JLB said: “I understand why you would not want to include any B of M passages”.

    Frankly, I don’t understand it, nor should you condone such a rigid point of view either of “closed mindedness”. You must not have the missionary spirit which is another reason why I don’t think you present the Mormon point of view very well either. Another possible reason why I think you couldn’t understand the Mormon point of view very well, or maybe you aren’t a baptized member of the Church after all? Didn’t David O’McKay, a late prophet of the Church say: “Every member should be a missionary”. Are you possessing such a spirit when you condone not discussing the BOM?

    mogel007 Says:
    November 30th, 2007 at 2:32 am

    JLB said this: “Where we differ from historical Christianity is that we believe honest and honorable people who did not abide by the commandments will find a second or lower place to exist for eternity. The balance of humanity will find a third and even lesser place to exist throughout eternity.”
    ________________________

    Actually this is not what Mormons believe. But in all fairness, how can JLB determine such correct doctrine, when he can’t even make a fair judgment that I am LDS, or not, which of course I am LDS. Even the moderator knows this fact!!! Go figure. This is what is said about those that inherit the terrestrial or middle kingdom. No where does it say they violate the commandments of God. As a matter of fact it says:

    D&C 72: “Behold these are they who died WITHOUT LAW.”
    Can’t disobey a commandment if you didn’t learn about it in mortal life.

    73. And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh.

    74. Who received not the testiony of Jesus in the flesh, but AFTERWARDS RECEIVED IT.

    75. These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who WERE BLINDED BY THE CRAFTINESS OF MEN.

    In other words, they were bad judges of character & bad judges of the truth & ones that are easily deceived. Why are they deceived? Probably because they don’t have the Holy Ghost & it’s guidance. Go figure. JLB will be right at home in that kingdom WITH THE IGNORANT.

    76. “These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fullness.”

    Obviously, they couldn’t disobey something they didn’t receive, specifically all the commandments of God, they knew nothing about. I guess the real question is, how is it honorable to disobey any commandments of God if you truly understood the commanments?

    No, I’m going to give JLB the benefit of the doubt & just say he isn’t LDS or in the very least, he just doesn’t understand simple basic doctrines. I must admit, I never considered or heard in any Mormon sermon, that being “honorable” meant to willfully & knowingly disobey the commandments of the Lord.

    Lastly, JLB said: “The BALANCE OF HUMANITY will find a third and even lesser place to exist throughout eternity.”

    Actually to be more accurate, it isn’t the balance of humanity, it will be the BULK OR MAJORITY OF HUMANITY THAT WILL GO TO THE LOWEST KINGDOM WHICH IS THE TELESTIAL KINGDOM:

    82. These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus,

    83. These are they who deny not the Holy Ghost.

    103. These are they who are liars, and sorcers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.

    104. These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.

    105. These are they who suffer the vengence of eternal fire.

    106. These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almight God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work.

    109. But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and THE INHABITANTS OF THE TELESTIAL WORLD, THAT THEY WERE AS INNUMERABLE AS THE STARS IN THE FIRMAMENT OF HEAVEN OR AS THE SAND UPON THE SEASHORE.

    Yes, MOST ALL PEOPLE WILL EVENTAULLY GO TO THE TELESTIAL KINGDOM, NOT THE “BALANCE OF HUMANITY” AS JLB put it. Course if he studied his scriptures more extensively, he wouldn’t make such ignorant comments & pretend to know more than he actually does.

    Fewer people will go to the middle glory, the terrestrial kingdom, and fewer people still will end up in the highest glory, or the celestial kingdom.

    Course if JLB was really trying to teach & explain things well, he also would have mentioned in the celestial kingdom, there are also 3 degrees or separation or kingdoms too, meaning probably that each degree represents a different planet or place, but since he probably isn’t very well schooled in explaining Mormon doctrine accurately or even well, he obviously left those VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENTS elements out too, & falsely leading people to believe that there were only 3 degrees of glory in Heaven, when in fact there are more.

    Paul once exclaimed “that he was caught up to the 7th Heaven in Spirit.” 7 separate Heavens? Obviously Mormon doctrine adds more sense and credibility in light of Paul’s experience, instead of the simple Christian view of only one Heaven & one hell or only one Kingdom of God, and one Kingdom of the Devil. Course if God is going to judge us ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, it stands to reason that there are varying gifts of rewards & different rewards & different varying places to go, based upon our zeal & valiancy.

    I will allow JLF the opportunity to respond to the comments addressed to him/her by mogel007. If there were additional comments being submitted during the preparation of this newsletter, they will appear in the comments section and may be addressed at a later date, if such is the case.

    Additional comments are welcome from one and all.

    Blessings all around.

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    Proverbs 18

    1Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.

    2A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

    3When the wicked cometh, then cometh also contempt, and with ignominy reproach.

    4The words of a man’s mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook.

    5It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment.

    6A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.

    7A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

    8The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

    9He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.

    10The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

    11The rich man’s wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit.

    12Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.

    13He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

    14The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?

    15The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.

    16A man’s gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men.

    17He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

    18The lot causeth contentions to cease, and parteth between the mighty.

    19A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle.

    20A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

    21Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

    22Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

    23The poor useth intreaties; but the rich answereth roughly.

    24A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.

    Conversation With A Mormon – Part 2

    November 12th, 2007

    CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 4
    November 12, 2007

    The following is a comment received from reader “JLF” regarding Conversation With A Mormon:

    I don’t think the person who responded to your piece is LDS. He/she may be, but they did not represent the LDS view of faith and works very well. In fact I don’t think I have ever heard much of that explanation before.

    Like you said, Christ paid the price for our sins and by doing so freely gave us the gift of resurrection and eternal life by His grace. We didn’t deserve it and can do nothing to earn it. That is the end of that conversation.

    Works are the manifestation of our faith. if you are faithful you will follow Gods commandments, i.e. “works”. That is where the Faith without works is dead comes in. Mormon theology says after we are resurrected, we will be judged according to our faithfulness in following the commandments. Those who have been faithful will live with God and Christ and be partakers of Christ’s inheritance. Where we differ from historical Christianity is that we believe honest and honorable people who did not abide by the commandments will find a second or lower place to exist for eternity. The balance of humanity will find a third and even lesser place to exist throughout eternity. Each is a separate and distinct kingdom if you will. Satan, his angels and those who committed the unpardonable sin of denying the Holy Spirit when they had perfect knowledge will be ejected into outer darkness.

    I understand why you would not want to include any B of M passages but there is supporting doctrine there too.

    Thank you, much, for your thoughtful response, JLF.

    I would like to address some of your comments.

    Let’s look at:

    Like you said, Christ paid the price for our sins and by doing so freely gave us the gift of resurrection and eternal life by His grace. We didn’t deserve it and can do nothing to earn it. That is the end of that conversation.

    On the face of it, we would appear to be in agreement.

    However, (please correct me if I am mistaken) I believe Mormon doctrine differs in the view of salvation: Mormons regard salvation as a gift given to all and Christians regard salvation as a gift offered to all, but not accepted by all.

    For this discussion, I will be referring to lightplanet.com, due to a handy resource index there (if anyone knows the information contained therein to be erroneous, kindly let us know).

    I am starting from their page at:
    http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/doctrines/salvation_eom.htm

    Salvation is the greatest gift of God (D&C 6:13). The root of the word means to be saved, or placed beyond the power of one’s enemies (TPJS, pp. 297, 301, 305). It is redemption from the bondage of sin and death, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Some degree of salvation will come to all of God’s children except the sons of perdition.

    Atonement of Jesus Christ “The Atonement of Jesus Christ is the foreordained but voluntary act of the Only Begotten Son of God. He offered his life, including his innocent body, blood, and spiritual anguish as a redeeming ransom (1) for the effect of the Fall of Adam upon all mankind and (2) for the personal sins of all who repent, from Adam to the end of the world.” Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, Encyclopedia of Mormonism

    I’ll get back to the ‘Atonement’ definition, but first, let us explore – who are the “sons of perdition”?

    According to
    http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/afterlife/perdition_eom.htm

    by Bruce R. McConkie

    Lucifer is Perdition. He became such by open rebellion against the truth, a rebellion in the face of light and knowledge. Although he knew God and had been taught the provisions of the plan of salvation, he defied the Lord and sought to enthrone himself with the Lord’s power. (Moses 4:1-4.) He thus committed the unpardonable sin. In rebellion with him were one-third of the spirit hosts of heaven. These all were thus followers (or in other words sons) of perdition. They were denied bodies, were cast out onto the earth, and thus came the devil and his angels — a great host of sons of perdition.

    Those in this life who gain a perfect knowledge of the divinity of the gospel cause, a knowledge that comes only by revelation from the Holy Ghost, and who then link themselves with Lucifer and come out in open rebellion, also become sons of perdition. Their destiny, following their resurrection, is to be cast out with the devil and his angels, to inherit the same kingdom in a state where “their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (D. & C. 76:32-49; 29:27-30; Heb. 6:4-8; 2 Pet. 2:20-22; 2 Ne. 9:14-16; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 47-49; vol. 2, pp. 218-225.)

    Joseph Smith said: “All sins shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. (Teachings, p. 358.)
    Mormon Doctrine, p.746 Copyright by Bookcraft

    [Note: A bit of research leads me to believe that McConkie’s book Mormon Doctrine is oft cited by Christian apologists attempting to make sense of Mormonism, but Mormon leadership has distanced itself from this book and its author.]

    I searched the KJV for ’sons of perdition’ and came up with zero results. I tried again with ‘perdition’ and found 8 references, 2 of which, John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 contain the phrase ‘son of perdition’.

    Taken in context:

    John 17:

    11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

    2 Thessalonians 2:

    2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    I find it difficult to focus on a given issue when dividing their teachings by the Word of God, because of the extraordinary number of Mormon teachings that ring false. They have extrapolated so much and taken great liberties in doing so. I say this now because verse 4 above reminds me that they teach that those who are most diligent in ‘works’ shall attain godhood! Am I mistaken in that assessment?

    What are we to make of the following?:

    “As man is, God once was, as God is, man may become”.’
    (Articles of Faith: Apostle James E. Talmage pp. 442-3)

    Does Mormonism really teach that God was/is a man? If so, how can such a teaching be explained in light of:

    Numbers 23:

    19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent

    Let me try to regain my focus by referring back to a portion of JLF’s comment:

    That is where the Faith without works is dead comes in. Mormon theology says after we are resurrected, we will be judged according to our faithfulness in following the commandments. Those who have been faithful will live with God and Christ and be partakers of Christ’s inheritance. Where we differ from historical Christianity is that we believe honest and honorable people who did not abide by the commandments will find a second or lower place to exist for eternity. The balance of humanity will find a third and even lesser place to exist throughout eternity.

    JLF, the only Biblical reference I can find, which Mormons use to support the theory of 3 levels of salvation is within Corinthians 15, and I cannot fathom how they have leapt to such an erroneous conclusion. Perhaps you can steer me to a fuller explanation, i.e., Biblical scriptures, to support this belief?

    In regards to your statement:

    Satan, his angels and those who committed the unpardonable sin of denying the Holy Spirit when they had perfect knowledge will be ejected into outer darkness.

    Perhaps that is an inaccurate representation of Mormon doctrine on your part? I ask, because the Bible clearly says:

    Matthew 25:

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    [In all fairness, I must add that there is also mention of 'eternal darkness' in Matthew 25 verse 30:

    And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.]

    I’d like to go back now to the ‘Atonement’ definition and its assertion of the voluntary nature of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice. I only make a point of this, because I see it as yet another instance of Mormons adding to that which is stated in the Bible. Nowhere can I find an explicit statement of Christ volunteering, however I find numerous references to being sent by the Father, and most clearly, I think, here:

    John 8:

    42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    And with those final thoughts, I will close with a prayer.

    Heavenly Father,

    I thank you for all of your blessings Lord and pray that we are able to reach, not only those who have not heard Your call, but, also, those who believe that they have heard You and have answered Your call, when, in reality have accepted a counterfeit.

    For we know, as it is written in Your Word, Father:

    Galatians 1:

    6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

    11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

    12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    We pray and hold fast to the promise that Your Word will not return void, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. Amen

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    Proverbs 17

    1 Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife.

    2 A wise servant shall have rule over a son that causeth shame, and shall have part of the inheritance among the brethren.

    3 The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the LORD trieth the hearts.

    4 A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.

    5 Whoso mocketh the poor reproacheth his Maker: and he that is glad at calamities shall not be unpunished.

    6 Children’s children are the crown of old men; and the glory of children are their fathers.

    7 Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince.

    8 A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth.

    9He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends.

    10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

    11 An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.

    12 Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man, rather than a fool in his folly.

    13 Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house.

    14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.

    15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

    16 Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?

    17 A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

    18 A man void of understanding striketh hands, and becometh surety in the presence of his friend.

    19 He loveth transgression that loveth strife: and he that exalteth his gate seeketh destruction.

    20 He that hath a froward heart findeth no good: and he that hath a perverse tongue falleth into mischief.

    21 He that begetteth a fool doeth it to his sorrow: and the father of a fool hath no joy.

    22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

    23 A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.

    24 Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

    25 A foolish son is a grief to his father, and bitterness to her that bare him.

    26 Also to punish the just is not good, nor to strike princes for equity.

    27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.

    28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

    Conversation With A Mormon

    November 9th, 2007

    CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 3
    November 09, 2007

    I received a rebuttal to this statement I made in our previous newsletter – Vol 2, No 2, entitled The Dimensions of Faith:

    “While works are an element of faith, salvation is not hinged upon works.”

    A Mormon made the following response. Have a read through it and I will begin dissecting it on the other side.

    “While such a thought is not even scriptural, than logically speaking following your logic, FAITH IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY FOR SALVATION TOO SINCE FAITH & WORKS ARE INTERTWINED. It also follows that confessing Jesus Christ as our Saviour & accepting him as your Saviour is also “a work” which of course, according to your logic MUST ALSO BE MEANINGLESS TOWARDS SALVATION TOO. Course FAITH must be totally unnecessary too for salvation too, since it is “a work” TOO. Course all the principles that Jesus taught must also be unnecessary for salvation like possessing and incorporating “hope”, “faith”, “tolerance” and “charity” in one’s life too. The famous “Beatitutes” taught by Jesus must also be meaningless towards salvation too according to your logic. It also follows according to your logic, that following God’s commandments and laws are also unnecessary for salvation too since those are “works” too. The commandments must be an elective, or just a mere suggestion, but not a requirement. Jesus’s admonition in Math 5:48 must also be meant to take as just a suggestion, but certainly nothing serious like the subject of salvation.

    You know come to think of it , you’re religious thought does have a certain appeal. LOL

    I don’t have to do anything or become anyone special, and God will save me. I can be totally evil and do whatever I want, sin as much as I want, don’t have to repent, since repentence is a work, and God will save me irregardless of my fowl personality. Man, if that lie doesn’t appeal to the masses, nothing will. LOL

    Is baptism a work? Are unbaptized christians not saved? Is faith a work? Is receiving the Holy Ghost by “the laying on of hands,” a “work”? Is receiving the HOly Ghost even necessary for salvation? HOw is the gift of the Holy Ghost even actually received?

    James said: “faith without works IS DEAD, just like your religion of spiritual thought” which is a “cult” , & you don’t even know it. How sad!!!!!!!!!!

    Come to think of it , Christians that believe in all the scriptures & not just a few, and believe that works is necessary for salvation too, not just the grace of Christ, have nothing to lose in the end, but those like you, THAT COULD BE MISTAKEN, and live your life in a lie, and BEHAVE ACCORDINGLY, CERTAINLY LOSE IT ALL IN THE END if you are wrong.

    I already believe that part of the gospel in what you profess, so if you are correct WE ARE BOTH SAVED. However if you are wrong……..

    You condemn me for believing MORE TRUTH and label me a “lost soul”. That’s the comedy and tragedy of it all.

    Did anyone hear that right wing protestant that said on TV a few days ago that “Mormonism is a cult and Mormons AREN’T EVEN CHRISTIANS”?

    Apparently, he is attacking Mitt Romney’s religion, since he is a Mormon, who is running for President, and Mr. Romney stands a good chance of being the republican choice, although he isn’t my first choice.

    The ministers logic is, if Mitt Romney isn’t a Christian, he isn’t fit for running for a governmental office. LOL So much for opend minded thought & religious tolerance. LOL Since when should someone’s religion be a “political issue”? Have we gone so far down hill as a tolerant nation of the 1st amendment to the constitution?

    Does it get any better as far as ignorance is concerned?

    The first article of the Mormon faith penned by Joseph Smith reads: “We believe in God the Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost”.

    Can it get any plainer than that, that Mormons profess to be Christians? That ignorant minister who spreads “hate”, should study more. His ignorance of Mormon doctrine is showing.”

    Here we go. Our respondent’s points will appear in bold.

    1) “While such a thought is not even scriptural”

    To review, the thought in question is:

    “While works are an element of faith, salvation is not hinged upon works.”

    Let us turn to the Word of God … the Holy Bible … there will be no references to the Book of Mormon or their doctrines and covenants.

    Ephesians 2

    1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved ;)

    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    It is abundantly clear, evidenced by scripture, that any and all works associated with the act of Salvation are on the part of God, Who:

    · Quickens us (calls us)

    · Is merciful to us

    · Loves us

    · Raises us up

    · Makes us sit

    · Demonstrates Grace toward us

    · Is kind to us

    By Grace we are saved through faith and not by works… so that none may boast – can this possibly be any clearer? It is the gift of God!

    We are HIS workmanship! As I originally stated, “works are an element of faith”, but we must be careful not to put the cart before the horse, as we are created in Christ Jesus (saved) unto, or for, good works, not the other way around.

    Our respondent immediately attempts to attribute to me, using what he refers to as “your logic”, arguments or conclusions that were never raised by this author. This is a typical maneuver used to confuse, rather than clarify issues. But, let us humor him, shall we?

    2) “logically speaking following your logic, FAITH IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY FOR SALVATION TOO SINCE FAITH & WORKS ARE INTERTWINED.”

    The article from which my statement – “While works are an element of faith, salvation is not hinged upon works.”- was taken, clearly states that faith is required for salvation, illustrated by:

    Hebrews 11:

    6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

    3) “It also follows that confessing Jesus Christ as our Saviour & accepting him as your Saviour is also “a work” which of course, according to your logic MUST ALSO BE MEANINGLESS TOWARDS SALVATION TOO. Course FAITH must be totally unnecessary too for salvation too, since it is “a work” TOO.”

    Here we have more spin attempting to confuse my stated position. I see no basis for labeling ‘confessing’, ‘accepting’ nor ‘faith’ as “a work”, and I certainly never drew nor presented those conclusions.

    The respondent continuous sarcastically stating:

    4) “Course all the principles that Jesus taught must also be unnecessary for salvation like possessing and incorporating “hope”, “faith”, “tolerance” and “charity” in one’s life too.”

    We have already covered ‘hope’ and ‘faith’ in the previous article, once again ignored by our respondent.

    Hebrews 11

    1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Although it is not his intention, he partly makes a true statement. Tolerance and charity are not requirements for Salvation…for we are sinners before we are redeemed in Christ, as evidenced in Ephesians 2: 1-3, above. As we grow in Christ, through the Holy Spirit, these ‘fruits of the Spirit’ and others, are made manifest, as described in Galatians 5. The same holds true regarding his “Beatitutes” (sic) statement. No one is blessed apart from Salvation and the attributes described in the beatitudes are a result of, not the cause of, Salvation.

    5) “It also follows according to your logic, that following God’s commandments and laws are also unnecessary for salvation too since those are “works” too. The commandments must be an elective, or just a mere suggestion, but not a requirement. Jesus’s admonition in Math 5:48 must also be meant to take as just a suggestion, but certainly nothing serious like the subject of salvation. ”

    The Ten Commandments are of extreme importance, so much so, that no one was ever able to live up to them! That is the whole point of the new covenant and Salvation, by Grace, through faith!

    Hebrews 8:

    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    Also, to the aforementioned points made by our respondent and in regard to the reference to:

    Matthew 5:

    48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    I give answer with:

    Romans 3:

    19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

    30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

    31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    The following is purely malicious spin on the part of our respondent, and is not representative of anything penned by this author. To clarify our position, I will say that repentance is required for Salvation in so much as only a sincere and contrite affirmation of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is sufficient, which by nature includes turning from sin.

    6) “You know come to think of it , you’re religious thought does have a certain appeal. LOL

    I don’t have to do anything or become anyone special, and God will save me. I can be totally evil and do whatever I want, sin as much as I want, don’t have to repent, since repentence is a work, and God will save me irregardless of my fowl personality. Man, if that lie doesn’t appeal to the masses, nothing will. LOL”

    The respondent continues with a string of questions…

    7) “Is baptism a work? Are unbaptized christians not saved? Is faith a work? Is receiving the Holy Ghost by “the laying on of hands,” a “work”? Is receiving the HOly Ghost even necessary for salvation? HOw is the gift of the Holy Ghost even actually received?”

    Baptism does indeed fall within the realm of works and is not a requisite of salvation, though we are admonished to be baptized as an outward display of our faith. Receiving of the Holy Spirit is a result of, not a condition for, Salvation.

    Next we have our respondent (perhaps, combatant, would be a better adjective by this point) stating:

    8) James said: “faith without works IS DEAD, just like your religion of spiritual thought” which is a “cult” , & you don’t even know it. How sad!!!!!!!!!!

    Here we have an example of a single verse pulled out of its direct context, as well as out of the context of other Biblical teachings regarding the dynamics of Salvation.

    James is addressing his Brethren, fellow followers of Jesus Christ, already saved people, to whom he is giving encouragement and edification. Works follow faith. Faith leads to Salvation. Works do not earn salvation, but emanate from the faithful.

    James also says: “shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”

    I would encourage our respondent to pay as much attention to James 3 as he would have others focus on part of James 2

    The next section takes two statements a bit out of order, but as they are related, I believe it is productive to do so:

    9) “You condemn me for believing MORE TRUTH and label me a “lost soul”.”

    “The first article of the Mormon faith penned by Joseph Smith reads: “We believe in God the Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost”.

    Can it get any plainer than that, that Mormons profess to be Christians?”

    Firstly, I condemn no one. It’s not my place, nor do I have the ability. I do, however, believe that Mormons are one of many groups of people who have been misled and that the ‘more truth’ of which he speaks has been spun out of whole cloth.

    As for the first article of faith, take another look at James 2, this time at verse 19:

    Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    Furthermore, Mormonism deviates sharply from the Bible on crucial issues.

    While they refer to Jesus Christ, and profess to be Christians, they do not adhere to Biblical doctrine and represent Jesus as a creation, a spirit son of God the Father and brother to Lucifer, born through intercourse between Mary and God the Father.

    According to Mormon doctrine, all human creations were spirit children before birth and have the ability to attain godhood, through works.

    Satan, the author of confusion, hissed as much into the ear of Eve.

    There are tons of resources available for a comparative analysis of Mormonism vs. Christianity. (See search results )

    One such analysis is: The Truth About Mormons by Dennis and Rauni Higley, which begins with a quote:

    President Joseph Fielding Smith (President of the LDS Church in the early 1970’s) stated:

    “Mormonism must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. He was either a Prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. There is no middle ground. If Joseph was a deceiver, who willfully attempted to mislead people, then he should be exposed, his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false…”

    (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1 pp.188-189.)

    Personally, I have a difficult time believing the story that (simplified version):
    Joseph Smith received and translated golden plates, purportedly written over a period of time dating back to 600 B.C. by Mormon and buried in the America’s by Moroni, to be found and deciphered by Smith, revealing to him that all the churches since Christ are in error and that Smith is to establish the one true church of Mormon.

    Of course, the golden plates seem to be unavailable for skeptics to examine, however, the ancient scrolls, purchased by Smith and translated by him, to become the Book of Abraham, from ancient Egyptian (by a gift of translation ability he did not otherwise possess) did surface in 1966, have been translated by independent experts and found to be, in actuality, funerary documents from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. More details may be found in the article The Book of Abraham Papyri and Joseph Smith

    We also have the matter of the claims that American Indians are descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel. In short, DNA testing has since debunked this claim. More information is available at DNA Genealogies of American Indians and the Book of Mormon, the testimony of ex-Mormon, Simon Southerton and author of the book LOSING A LOST TRIBE: Native Americans, DNA and the Mormon Church

    10) Come to think of it , Christians that believe in all the scriptures & not just a few, and believe that works is necessary for salvation too, not just the grace of Christ, have nothing to lose in the end, but those like you, THAT COULD BE MISTAKEN, and live your life in a lie, and BEHAVE ACCORDINGLY, CERTAINLY LOSE IT ALL IN THE END if you are wrong.”

    I don’t know how many different ways we can try to explain to our Mormon friends that it is they, and not Bible (sans the additional baggage of Mormon theology) believing Christians, who have bought into a lie, denying the nature of Christ and the propitiation of sin, by Grace, through His death and resurrection. While many Mormons do leave the tabernacles, millions more remain in spiritual bondage, believing that works will buy them some level of salvation and godhood, and calling those outside of their faith liars.

    I would encourage them to study the following closely:

    2 Peter 2:

    1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

    3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

    6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

    7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

    8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

    9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

    10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

    11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

    12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

    14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

    15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

    16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

    17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

    18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

    20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    11) “Did anyone hear that right wing protestant that said on TV a few days ago that “Mormonism is a cult and Mormons AREN’T EVEN CHRISTIANS”?”

    ….

    “That ignorant minister who spreads “hate”, should study more. His ignorance of Mormon doctrine is showing.””

    Actually, I had not heard that. Here is a search of the alleged quote above. Nothing turns up if searched using quotation marks, many results appear otherwise, and I did see an article regarding a Texas minister voicing his opinion, which is certainly within his 1st Amendment rights, unless there has been a change in Constitutional law that I am not aware of. Whether that is the minister in question, I cannot be sure. Judging by our respondents persistence in spinning the facts of his issues, I can only assume that the minister may well be neither hateful nor ignorant, but simply someone expressing a concern that a political candidate who has succumbed to an erroneous belief system just may not be the best suited candidate for President of the United States.

    Brothers and Sisters, I ask you to join me in prayer that followers of Mormonism and others caught up in false teachings see the errors of their beliefs and find true peace and salvation in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    Amen

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Proverbs 16

    1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

    2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

    3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

    4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

    5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

    6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

    7 When a man’s ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

    8 Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues without right.

    9 A man’s heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

    10 A divine sentence is in the lips of the king: his mouth transgresseth not in judgment.

    11 A just weight and balance are the LORD’s: all the weights of the bag are his work.

    12 It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness.

    13 Righteous lips are the delight of kings; and they love him that speaketh right.

    14 The wrath of a king is as messengers of death: but a wise man will pacify it.

    15 In the light of the king’s countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of the latter rain.

    16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!

    17 The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul.

    18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

    20 He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.

    21 The wise in heart shall be called prudent: and the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning.

    22 Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.

    23 The heart of the wise teacheth his mouth, and addeth learning to his lips.

    24 Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.

    25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

    26 He that laboureth laboureth for himself; for his mouth craveth it of him.

    27 An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.

    28 A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends.

    29 A violent man enticeth his neighbour, and leadeth him into the way that is not good.

    30 He shutteth his eyes to devise froward things: moving his lips he bringeth evil to pass.

    31 The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness.

    32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

    33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.

    The Dimensions of Faith

    November 7th, 2007

    CSO Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 2
    November 07, 2007

    Why do we believe what we believe?

    Outside the context of a Christian Newsletter, this would be an extremely broad question.

    Still, perhaps I should use a more focused approach, for the sake of clarity.

    Why do we, as Christians, believe what we believe?

    Given the interactive nature of the blog/comment format, let me personalize this directly to you. Why do you believe what you believe, in regards to Christianity? (Are you a non-believer? Feel free to chime in, as well!)

    Let’s take a quick look at the Old Testament, specifically within the story of Noah.

    Leading into the command to Noah, we see:

    Genesis 6:

    5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    As I look at the world in which we live even today, Brothers and Sisters, I can’t help but marvel at the patience and compassion of God Almighty, that He has not blotted us all out of His sight, once and forever.

    I am reminded, yet again, of the mercy shown upon us by a just God.

    8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

    13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

    15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

    16A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

    17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

    18But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee.

    19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

    20Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

    21And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

    22Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

    Was this an act of faith or of obedience on the part of Noah? After all, when God is talking directly to you, how much faith is required? There is, of course, a direct parallel to Christian faith…salvation by unmerited Grace.

    Do we have a definition of faith to work with? I believe we do:

    Hebrews 11

    1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    If we look a bit further in the chapter, to verse 7, we, of course, learn that Noah acted in obedience, through faith.

    7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

    Indeed, we are clearly taught, in the preceding verse 6, that faith is of the greatest importance!

    6But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

    As we know, Brothers and Sisters, there are countless people who say they do not believe in God.

    Perhaps, you were once one of them. I know I was…well, I tried to be, but couldn’t quite shake the feeling of conviction whenever I tried to flat-out deny the existence of a Supreme Being, so I settled for ‘agnostic’. I reasoned that I didn’t know if there was a God or not, therefore, I remained free to live my life as I chose. But, I finally had to succumb to the undeniable Truth:

    Romans 1:

    9Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    I hereby challenge ANYONE reading this to look around themselves and present to me a thesis which clearly supports the contention that the universe, the world, the countryside, a butterfly; whatever naturally occurring element you so desire to choose, exists without being the product of a Creator.

    It is, of course, possible to believe in a Supreme Being or Beings, without acknowledging Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    We need look no further than Saul, a devout Jew, a Pharisee’s Pharisee if there ever was one, and a major player in the persecution of the early Church, even to the martyr, Stephen.
    Let’s pause for a moment and consider who Stephen was:

    • a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost – (Acts 6:5)
    • full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people – (Acts 6:8)
    • he spake with wisdom and the spirit – (Acts 6:10)
    • all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel – (Acts 6:15)

    Stephan found himself facing the council because “certain of the synagogue” conspired to “set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.”

    When confronted with the false charges, Stephen could have surely denied them and kept a low profile and would probably have walked away none the worse for the encounter.

    However, what he did was to recite an encapsulated summary of Jewish history from the days of Abraham to the death of Jesus, culminating in a powerful statement, surely stirred by faith and the Holy Spirit, saying:

    Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

    Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

    Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
    (Acts 7:51-53)

    Folks, that is one of the best examples of politically incorrectness that I have ever seen, short of Jesus’ own teachings. And the results were predictable:

    When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. (Acts 7:54)

    Yikes! If there was ever a time for an individual to renege on his professed beliefs, for the sake of self-preservation, this would be it.

    But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

    And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

    Were this to happen today, to the subscribers to any of the various religions (read cults) that folks get caught up in, how many would, at this point, quickly set aside their faith as error?

    And [they] cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.

    And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

    And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

    Saul was right there when the first recorded martyrdom for Christ took place with the stoning of Stephen.

    Personally, I think that seeing the steadfastness of Stephens’ convictions, his adherence to his beliefs, should have been a wakeup call for Saul.

    This was not the case.

    And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. (Acts 8:1)

    As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. (Acts 8:3)

    Brothers and Sisters, though you may have read the following before, I ask that you take the time to read it once again, as it is a truly remarkable occurrence; the transforming of Saul to Paul:

    Acts 9

    1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

    2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

    3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

    4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

    5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

    6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

    7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

    8And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

    9And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

    10And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

    11And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

    12And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

    13Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

    14And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

    15But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

    16For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.

    17And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

    18And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

    19And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

    20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

    21But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?

    22But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

    Paul later makes reference to his conversion experience:

    Galatians 1:

    11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

    12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    13For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

    14And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

    15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,

    16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

    17Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

    Not many of us, I think, can give testimony to such a dramatic event in our lives as that which was experienced by Saul/Paul.

    What is your testimony? Why do you believe what you believe?

    For myself, some of the most powerful cement for the bonding of my belief that the testimonies of the Gospels is true, comes from the accounts of the persecutions and executions of the Apostles, who died with words of confirmation on their lips and in their hearts.

    Stand Firm!

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    Proverbs 15

    1A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

    2The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

    3The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

    4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.

    5A fool despiseth his father’s instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.

    6In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.

    7The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.

    8The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

    9The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

    10Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

    11Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?

    12A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.

    13A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.

    14The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.

    15All the days of the afflicted are evil: but he that is of a merry heart hath a continual feast.

    16Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.

    17Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

    18A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.

    19The way of the slothful man is as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous is made plain.

    20A wise son maketh a glad father: but a foolish man despiseth his mother.

    21Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.

    22Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

    23A man hath joy by the answer of his mouth: and a word spoken in due season, how good is it!

    24The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

    25The LORD will destroy the house of the proud: but he will establish the border of the widow.

    26The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.

    27He that is greedy of gain troubleth his own house; but he that hateth gifts shall live.

    28The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.

    29The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

    30The light of the eyes rejoiceth the heart: and a good report maketh the bones fat.

    31The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.

    32He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

    33The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

    Christian Soldiers' Word of Mouth Ministries

    The Author of Confusion

    October 25th, 2007

    Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 1

    October 25, 2007

    The Author of Confusion

    OR

    Satan is Alive and Well

    Greetings Brothers and Sisters!

    It has been some time since I have managed to put together a newsletter. There is a reason for that.

    Actually, there are a number of reasons, but they boil down to one essential element: frame of mind.

    You may have asked at one time or another, or heard someone else ask, “Why does God allow such and such to happen?” or “Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?”

    The simplest answer is: “God is just and there are no good people (or none good enough).”

    Chew on that for a bit.

    You may be thinking: “Has Brother Bruce lost his faith…turned his back on God?”

    We’ll get back to all this shortly.

    First, I would like to excerpt a portion of a previous newsletter entitled “Christian Duties” :

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    Consider:

    Acts 1

    8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

    Clearly, we, who have likewise been called as followers of Jesus Christ, have been admonished to be Salt and Light to the world.

    Matthew 5

    13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

    14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

    15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

    16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    Putting this into practice requires more than a passive role. Often it requires us to step outside of our comfort zones and, perhaps, to cross some conventional lines of ‘political correctness’. It also requires us to set aside certain preconceived notions or misconceptions and actually inquire into the eternal security of our acquaintances, neighbors and co-workers.

    Think about it; when is the last time someone inquired into your eternal security?

    Even as I write this, I am aware that I assume I am writing to a Christian audience, just as I generally assume that most of the people who I encounter on a daily basis must surely be brothers and sisters in Christ! Imagine my surprise when I had a conversation some time back with a fellow who, upon inquiry, professed to be a Buddhist. He cited a number of reasons why Christianity and Judaism did not hold credibility for him. Regrettably, I did not have an opportunity to witness more to him before he departed from my sphere of influence. I can only pray that a seed was sown during our brief discussion.

    I have recently separated from a place of employment, which kept me on the road and away from home anywhere from 10 – 14 hours per day and placed me in direct contact with many hundreds of folks on a weekly basis. As I mused upon why the Good Lord would place me in a position that kept me from my family so much I decided that it was evidently NOT for the money, as the return on the time invested was quite bleak.

    It quickly became obvious to me that there must be a greater purpose and I began to look for opportunities to share various aspects of my faith and convictions, as unobtrusively as possible, while fully performing my job function.

    Management recently told me that I was prohibited from discussing politics and religion with customers, although there is no prohibition on tangential chit-chat, in general. Before I had fully decided to what degree I should comply with their mandate, my position was abruptly terminated, although I had not found any opportunities to speak on the tabooed subject(s) in the interim. A case can be made on both sides of the issue.

    Titus 3

    1Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work

    Mark 8

    38Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

    The reason for termination cited was in relation to sales volume, not ‘political correctness’ in the workplace.

    Whether Satan had a hand in the process, or God is moving me elsewhere, or if it is just part of the happenstance of daily life remains to be seen.

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    Ah. It appears we are beginning our segue into the titled content of today’s newsletter…almost.

    But first, I would like to personally address my readers, whom I presume to be professing Christians (those not yet professing so, please click HERE ).

    Especially, I would most like to address those of you whom I had the pleasure of knowing somewhat and hopefully serving well, in the course of my aforementioned employment.

    I must at this time ask: “How are you?” For, I have no way of knowing, as I have not received any correspondence back from anyone on our mailing list except one, in the nearly five months that I have been out of work.

    One of you I know to be a Pastor. Another, on the staff of a church. A third sings in a music ministry. All have indicated that they love the Lord.

    Ironically, I have had more free time to publish newsletters, yet, there have not been many going out in all that time, and none recently.

    I thought surely that I would be conspicuous in my absence, and that someone would drop a line of inquiry, a brief well-being e-mail…

    Let us return to the phrase I used earlier: frame of mind.

    Specifically, discouragement and disappointment.

    Both of these attributes are crippling human emotions. They are exactly the sort of feelings that Satan loves to leverage. Satan is the author of confusion. The confused mind will always say ‘No’, regardless of the question, leading to a loss of resolve and paralysis of action. What better way to silence ministries of encouragement and hope, than to direct the focus to discouragement and disappointment?

    Going back to: “Has Brother Bruce lost his faith…turned his back on God?”

    Not at all! I had, though, been rendered temporarily silent. It is only through God’s Word that I am able to keep my resolve.

    Hebrews 12:
    1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
    2
    Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
    3
    For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds
    .

    I rely fully on His promises!

    Romans 8:
    1 All things work to the good, to them that love God, to them that are called according to his purpose.

    So, then, what is this all about??

    “Why does God allow such and such to happen?” or “Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?”

    There is always an implied IF embedded in questions of this nature. IF GOD IS A LOVING GOD, then WHY…..

    The IF is supplied by that other author, who seeks every opportunity to undermine our faith.

    Earlier I stated: “God is just and there are no good people (or none good enough).”

    Perhaps you feel I exaggerate. See if you are good.

    Now, let’s look at God’s Word:

    Jeremiah 17:
    9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    10
    I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    Have you ever read about Uzzah?

    In short, while the Ark of the Covenant was being transported via ox cart, the oxen stumbled and the Ark was in danger of falling to the ground.

    Uzzah, who had been walking alongside, instinctively reached out to steady the Ark. God immediately struck him dead. Why? Wasn’t that harsh of God?

    The answer is: “No”. The rules for the treatment of the Ark were abundantly clear. The rules were broken. God is just. Justice was served by the taking of Uzzah’s life.

    When personal tragedy strikes our lives or the lives of our loved ones, the enemy is right there with the IF

    Friends, the only ifs we should pay attention to are:

    1) IF Lucifer had been obedient to God and not consumed with the desire to be God…

    and

    2) IF Adam and Eve had been obedient to God and not succumbed to the lies of Satan…

    …the world we live in would be quite a different place, to say the least.

    As it is, we live in a fallen world, born in sin, separated from God, and the only justice we deserve is eternal separation from God.

    There is a third IF to consider:

    Romans 10:
    9That IF thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    John 3:
    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Dear Friends, it is the flowing Love of God for His creation that justice is, through unmerited Grace, set aside, our sentences transmuted from eternal damnation to eternal life.

    You may be thinking that, yes, this is Good News, but that it is also old news. We are Christians, we have accepted Jesus already, our eternity is secure, thanks, anyway, but we have it covered.

    If that is the case, friends, that is wonderful. I’ll looking forward to spending eternity with you.

    But…please recall that Christian Soldiers Online is a ministry of encouragement and exhortation.

    Therefore, I am ever compelled to remind you that Christendom is more than personal salvation. With our salvation comes a responsibility.

    Romans 10 continues…
    14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15
    And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    16
    But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
    17
    So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Yes, friends, I am encouraging you all to be preachers of the Word of God! You do not need to stand in a pulpit, nor pound a podium or a Bible. You merely need to bring God’s Word alive by your daily conduct. If you profess to be a Christian, and if folks around you cannot see Christ within you, it should only be because they see Christ in front of you.

    2 Timothy 4:
    1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
    2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
    3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
    5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

    1 Thessalonians 5:
    1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
    2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
    4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
    7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
    8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
    9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
    11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
    12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
    13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
    14Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
    15See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
    16Rejoice evermore.
    17Pray without ceasing.
    18In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
    19Quench not the Spirit.
    20Despise not prophesyings.
    21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
    22Abstain from all appearance of evil.
    23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
    25Brethren, pray for us.
    26Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
    27I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
    28The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

    Brothers and Sisters, I need you. I need to hear from you. Like you, I need encouragement.

    Romans 1:
    1For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
    12
    That is, that I may be comforted together with you [encouraged] by the mutual faith both of you and me.

    1 Thessalonians 5:
    11Wherefore comfort yourselves together [encourage], and edify one another, even as also ye do.

    Hebrews 3:
    13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    These are just some of the things that have been on my heart today.

    I truly hope that you will take a moment from your busy schedules to leave a comment on the newsletter blog and/or drop an e-mail to:

    bruce@christiansoldiersonline.org

    As always -

    In His Service,

    Bruce Macomber
    christiansoldiersonline.org

    Proverbs 14:
    1Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

    2He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him.

    3In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.

    4Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox.

    5A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

    6A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.

    7Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

    8The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.

    9Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour.

    10The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy.

    11The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.

    12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

    13Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.

    14The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself.

    15The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

    16A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

    17He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated.

    18The simple inherit folly: but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.

    19The evil bow before the good; and the wicked at the gates of the righteous.

    20The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends.

    21He that despiseth his neighbour sinneth: but he that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he.

    22Do they not err that devise evil? but mercy and truth shall be to them that devise good.

    23In all labour there is profit: but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury.

    24The crown of the wise is their riches: but the foolishness of fools is folly.

    25A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.

    26In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

    27The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

    28In the multitude of people is the king’s honour: but in the want of people is the destruction of the prince.

    29He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: but he that is hasty of spirit exalteth folly.

    30A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.

    31He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.

    32The wicked is driven away in his wickedness: but the righteous hath hope in his death.

    33Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.

    34Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. 35The king’s favour is toward a wise servant: but his wrath is against him that causeth shame.

    He Is Risen! CSO Newsletter Vol. 1 No. 1

    October 24th, 2007

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    HE IS RISEN!

    Greetings Christian Soldiers!Welcome to the first edition of the Christian Soldiers Newsletter. Our mission is to encourage Christians to stand firm in their faith and in their convictions.

    Don’t be a “pew potato”!

    It’s time for a bit of introspection. I challenge you to look deep within yourself and take an inventory.

    Are you a CINO (Christian In Name Only)?


    Sure, you go to Church every Sunday (or often, or occasionally) and listen to a sermon. At some point in time you prayed the “Sinners Prayer” and received the Gift of Salvation. Congratulations! You are a Christian, your soul is secure and life is good.

    BUT – how much thought do you give to Biblical principles Monday – Saturday?

    When was the last time you inquired about the salvation of an acquaintance? Are you putting it off for just the right moment?

    Consider this:

    James 4:14
    Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

    CRISIS IN AMERICA

    by Dr. Woodrow Kroll, President

    Back to the Bible International

    After analyzing more than 10,000 personal interviews conducted during 2003, researcher George Barna maintains that while three-fifths of Americans say they believe the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches, they both appear to know little of what’s in the Bible nor does what’s in the Bible appear to have little impact on their lives. As a result, the moral foundations of the nation continue to crumble more rapidly each year. The crisis in American morality is a crisis in Bible illiteracy.

    This year saw increases in the proportions of people who believe that cohabitation (60%), adultery (42%), sexual relations between homosexuals (30%), abortion (45%), pornography (38%), the use of profanity (36%) and gambling (61%) are “morally acceptable” behaviors.

    George Gallup Jr. is right:Biblical illiteracy presents not only a spiritual or religious problem in this nation, but a cultural one as well.” We cannot inhibit the great American slide into a moral vacuum until someone seriously addresses the problem of Bible illiteracy both in the world and in the church.

    How Bad is the Problem of Bible Illiteracy?

    A few years ago the Gallup Organization devised The Gallup Biblical Knowledge Quiz to test the Bible knowledge of the American public. When asked: “What is first book of Bible?”, 49% answered correctly. When asked: “Can you name one of the prophets in the Old Testament?”, 21% could. And 35% of the American population could name the four Gospels. This means, of course, that 51% could not name the first book of the Bible, 79% could not name a single prophet of the Old Testament, and 65% of Americans could not name Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

    READ MORE…

    Have you picked up your Bible and read it today, Brothers and Sisters? Yesterday? Last week? How long has it been since you spent time reading God’s Word?

    If you want to be a Christian Soldier (and of course, you do!), you need to be well armed!

    Ephesians 6
    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. ….

    This includes “the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God”!

    Make Bible reading a habit and a priority – Read through the bible in a year.

    Abortion is murder!

    If you are a Christian, then you are most certainly, Pro – Life, right? After all, it stands to reason it just goes with the territory.

    Sadly, this just does not seem to be the case. This fact was driven home to me just recently, when I received a terse reply from the recipient of an email I recently sent encouraging folks in my REI database to sign some online petitions:

    Well, since I SUPPORT stem cell research, based on those in my family who

    could really use the technology being developed to assist their illnesses,

    then YES, the Govt needs to write a BIG FAT CHECK for researching this.

    As for abortion, should be legal, always will be if I can help it.

    Not my place to tell a woman what to do with her body.

    Up to folks local to this doctor whether or not he gets

    prosecuted,,,,,,,,,,and they decided not to………get caught up on events,

    this is an old story.

    Last I checked, we do support Isreal.

    So, what a waste of email bandwidth, etc.

    Remove me.

    and, as a side note, this stuff is why your forum had no

    visitors………….its either christian bible thumping, or, real estate,

    the two do not mix……at least, not to this extreme.

    and, I am a devout Christian, who just do happens to think the issues you

    sent out links to, have nothing to do with my faith.

    Unsubscribe me, and don’t sent me this garbage again…………

    While I appreciated the honesty, beloved Brothers and Sisters in Christ, that message breaks my heart, because for every one person who takes the time to fire off a dart like that, there are countless others who share the sentiment without bothering to respond. Here we have a classic CINO, and I implore you all to evaluate your own hearts, shake off your complacency and STAND UP and STAND FIRM!

    FYI – the aforementioned online petitions are:

    Petition to Protect Human Life (stop tax funding of embryonic stem cell

    research) https://www.aclj.org/Petition/Default.aspx?sc=3261&ac=1

    Petition to prosecute partial birth abortion practitioner, George Tiller

    http://www.chargetiller.com/petition.html

    Petition to President Bush and world leaders declaring support for Israel

    http://www.ifcj.org/site/PageServer?pagename=swarmingbees

    Proverbs 1

    1The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;

    2To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

    3To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

    4To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

    5A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

    6To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

    7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    8My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

    9For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

    10My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.

    11If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:

    12Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:

    13We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:

    14Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:

    15My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:

    16For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.

    17Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.

    18And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.

    19So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.

    20Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

    21She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

    22How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

    23Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

    24Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

    25But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

    26I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

    27When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

    28Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    29For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

    30They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

    31Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

    32For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

    33But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.